As we stepped into this new era, Paul and I sat down at our kitchen table to talk about what we can learn from COVID-19. How do we stay informed and connected in these times, and why do we think this is a wake up call? As Paul said: ‘The better we are able to deal with uncertainty, the more robust and resilient we are.” This coronavirus is a perturbation on the whole system of Earth and we can learn so much from it. Listen to this brand new episode!